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1 Safety, Liquidity, and the Natural Rate of Interest by Marco Del Negro, Domenico Giannone, Marc P. Giannoni, Andrea Tambalotti Jing Cynthia Wu Chicago Booth & NBER Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 1 / 19

2 Comment 1: Decomposing long term yield into expectation and term premium This is one core question in the term structure literature where y n t = ȳ n t + tp n t ȳ n t = 1 n E t [r t + r t r t+n 1 ] Expectation ȳ n t is the trend. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 2 / 19

3 Comment 1: Expectation The short rate r t = δ 0 + δ 1X t Dynamics for factors X t+1 = µ + ρx t + Σε t+1, ε t+1 N(0, I ) Pricing equation P nt = E t [exp( m t+1 )P n 1,t+1 ] y nt = 1 n log(p nt) Expectations E t [r t+n ] = δ 0 + δ 1E t [X t+n ] Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 3 / 19

4 Comment 1: Bias correction Estimation: OLS for VAR. Highest eigenvalue of ρ: However, the persistence is underestimated. YLabelRight 14 Use as d.g.p. and estimate Bias correction: Bauer, Rudebusch, and Wu (2012, 2014). 0 Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 4 / 19

5 Comment 1: Downward trend in expectation U.S Percent 5 Percent Germany black: five-by-five-year forward rate Red: OLS 10 blue: Bauer, Rudebusch, and Wu (2012, 2014) bias corrected ent Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 5 / 19 ent

6 Comment 2: How negative can nominal rates be? 10 real r * Q1-60 Q1-80 Q Q1-60 Q1-80 Q1-00 nominal r * Q1-60 Q1-80 Q1-00 Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 6 / 19

7 Comment 2: How negative can nominal rates be? Nominal r was as negative as -5%. Is it plausible? We do not observe negative interest rates in the US. The SNB s deposit rate is at record low of -75 basis points. But that s still far away from -5%. The negative interest rates in Europe were due to interventions by central banks, but r is in the conterfactual world where there is no central bank. Frictions that potentially allow a negative nominal rate take physical currency out of circulation storage cost highly unlikely there is a limit Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 7 / 19

8 Comment 2: What causes implausibly negative nominal rate? Lack of proper treatment for ZLB In the reduced form: discard short rate after 2008 Q3 Consequences internal inconsistency remove short rate and its ZLB forward looking agents factor the ZLB in the future into yields at longer maturities. the same lower bound should constrain the nominal trend and r. less information leads to less accurate estimation Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 8 / 19

9 Comment 2: Shadow rate a treatment for ZLB Black (1995) r t = max(s t, r), Allow the model to be internally consistent short rate, trend on nominal rates, and expectations in longer rates are subject to the same lower bound. Does not allow nominal rates to be (too) negative. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 9 / 19

10 Comment 2: Shadow rate a treatment for ZLB Wu and Zhang (2016) DSGE linear in s t r t = max(s t, r) A negative s t accommodates unconventional monetary policy Potential consolidating negative nominal rates by relabeling r t as s t s + E t π t+1 < 0 r + E t π t+1 > 0 A downward trend in s instead of r at the ZLB. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 10 / 19

11 Comment 2: Shadow rate a treatment for ZLB Puzzle remaining: what happened in the 1970s? Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 11 / 19

12 Comment 3: Trend in convenience yield Q1-60 Q1-70 Q1-80 Q1-90 Q1-00 Q1-10 Main result: a trend in convenience yield from late 1990s explains the decline in r. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 12 / 19

13 Comment 3: No trend in the data No trend is present in the data Spread jumps up during the Great Recession Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 13 / 19

14 Comment 3: No trend in the data No trend is present in the data Spreads jump up during the Great Recession Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 14 / 19

15 For the first 70% of the sample, the correlation is 0.37 The difference was 0.8% at the beginning Different cyclical behaviors Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 15 / 19 Comment 4: Model dependent results

16 Comment 4: Model dependent results 6 LW r * DGGT 5-year forward r * Q1-60 Q1-70 Q1-80 Q1-90 Q1-00 Q1-10 For the first 70% of the sample, the correlation is The difference was 4.8% at the largest Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 16 / 19

17 Comment 4: Model dependent results LW r * DGGT 5-year forward r * DGGT r * Q1-60 Q1-70 Q1-80 Q1-90 Q1-00 Q1-10 r is much more volatile than the other two series There is hardly a common pattern across the three Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 17 / 19

18 Comment 4: Should the natural rate of interest be more volatile than observed rates? 10 r * r Q1-60 Q1-80 Q1-00 The variance of r is 3 times the variance of r. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 18 / 19

19 Conclusion Overall, this is a very interesting, timely, and well written paper! Comment 1: downward trend in expectation. Comment 2: is very negative nominal r a shadow rate? Comment 3: there isn t a trend in convenience yield in the data. Comment 4: model dependent results. Cynthia Wu (Chicago & NBER) 19 / 19

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