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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS STATE OF MISSOURI Honorable Rex M. Burlison, Judge STATE OF MISSOURI, ) ) Plaintiff, ) ) vs. ERIC GREITENS, ) ) Defendant. ) ) Cause No. -CR00 ) TRANSCRIPT OF MOTION HEARING March, 0 HON. ROBERT DIERKER MS. KIMBERLY GARDNER Circuit Attorney's Office Market Street St. Louis, MO 0 on behalf of the State of Missouri; MR. JAMES G. MARTIN HON. JACK F. GARVEY MR. EDWARD DOWD Carey, Danis & Lowe DOWD BENNETT LLP Forsyth Blvd. #00 Forsyth Blvd. #00 St. Louis, MO 0 St. Louis, MO 0 MR. SCOTT ROSENBLUM Rosenblum Schwartz & Fry 0 South Central Avenue #0 St. Louis, MO 0 on behalf of the Defendant. JENNIFER A. DUNN, RPR, CCR # OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER CITY OF ST. LOUIS CIRCUIT COURT TWENTY-SECOND JUDICIAL CIRCUIT

(The following proceedings were had in open court:) 0 0 THE COURT: Court calls Cause Number -CR00. State of Missouri versus Eric Greitens. I became aware sometime yesterday that we had a hearing today. I'm not sure who noticed this up. MR. GARVEY: Judge, it was us. Just for housekeeping, just to set out what's what and where where. Today we would like to have a hearing on our motion to advance the trial date. On Monday we have set for a hearing our motion to dismiss based on the misinstructing of the Grand Jury, our motion to disqualify the special prosecutor, although I don't know whether that's necessary any more, we understand that he might have removed himself from the case. So if that's the case, there will be no hearing on that. And then that's -- those are the motions that will be heard on Monday. THE COURT: Okay. MR. GARVEY: Today it's just the motion to advance the trial date. THE COURT: And there was a motion regarding waiver of jury, is that a Monday item you say? MR. GARVEY: I think we notified the Court he is going to waive his right it a Grand Jury, the governor will, and we will, if the Court would like, whatever the

0 0 Court's schedule, he would be appearing to waive the jury trial, we're planning on doing that on just whatever day the trial is, the bench trial, and then you can put him on the record to waive it. THE COURT: And there's been a filing by the State in that regard? MS. GARDNER: Yes, there has, your Honor. THE COURT: Are the parties prepared to hear that today? MR. GARVEY: We can set that on Monday, Judge. MS. GARDNER: We're prepared to hear that today, the motion to the waiver of jury trial and the motion for shortened time. I think we're prepared to hear that today. MR. GARVEY: Judge, we haven't responded to their objections to the motion to waive a jury trial. THE COURT: I'm not sure the State has a right to object to that. MR. GARVEY: That's the thing, Judge. THE COURT: I'm not sure your client has an absolute right to waive a jury. MR. GARVEY: That is correct, Judge. THE COURT: As long as we know that the Court's going to have the final say in that. I don't care

0 0 if we hear it today or Monday, but neither side has an absolute -- I don't think the State has a right to object, and I don't think your client has an absolute right to waive. MR. GARVEY: We understand, Judge. We would like Monday then to argue that motion. MS. GARDNER: Your Honor, I'm asking today because also we have issues with deposition notices being served on potential witnesses yesterday without notice, and we're trying to shorten time for motion to quash subpoenas because we had original dates that were set in preparation for trial, and I think this issue needs to be spoken to today. We cannot wait for that. So I think the motion for shortened trial, as well as a motion to waive a jury trial needs to be addressed today, not Monday. MR. GARVEY: Judge, our client is going to -- is going to present himself in front of the Court to have a hearing and you will inquire to him whether or not he has been adequately informed and adequately advised that he can waive his right to a jury trial. The State has no standing to challenge that. However, the Court does have a huge role in deciding whether or not he can waive his right to a jury trial. They have filed this response, frankly, we haven't

0 0 even really given it any time because we didn't think they had any standing to challenge it at all. We're not prepared today to argue that motion. We will be prepared on Monday to argue that motion. THE COURT: Well, as we speak this matter is set for trial by jury, and all subpoenas and all actions should be directed towards the present status of this case. I will give the defense until Monday to present whatever evidence that the defense wants to present in light of Rule, which makes all criminal cases triable by a jury. But as we proceed from now until the Monday hearing, I would suggest all parties to assume this is a trial by jury. MR. GARVEY: Thank you, Judge. THE COURT: So we'll finish hearing that on Monday when you all are prepared. Yes, sir. MR. DIERKER: Your Honor, the circuit attorney alluded to the need to hear a motion to quash subpoenas and deposition notices on the victim and another witness, and we have filed a motion to shorten time, so we did notice that up for Monday morning, and I wanted to be clear that I did tell counsel we were going to be ask to be able to present those motions on Monday. THE COURT: The motion to quash, I assume Mr. Simpson's here on that.

0 0 MR. DIERKER: Right. THE COURT: Today. MR. SIMPSON: I am not here specifically on that motion, Judge. I am here for when the Court takes up the request to advance the trial setting to be heard on that issue. THE COURT: Well, if this motion, I assume the one you're talking about was just handed in chambers. MR. DIERKER: Right. THE COURT: Okay. o'clock Monday. MR. DIERKER: That's what we're requesting. MR. BENNETT: No problem. THE COURT: Okay. So that leaves us to moving up the trial date. MR. GARVEY: Yes, Judge. THE COURT: Okay. MR. GARVEY: If I may, Judge. I appreciate the Court taking the time on this issue. I know this is an extraordinary -- THE COURT: Hang on a second. I'm sorry. MR. GARVEY: We're aware this is an extraordinary request to make of the Court, especially after a scheduling order has been entered for the May th trial date. However, I think the Court will agree this is an

0 0 extraordinary case never seen before. We have a lot of parts moving in this case. We start off, first, with the House is moving along with their investigation. We feel it best a quick resolution of this case here in the city will help the House and the State of Missouri and the citizens of this state to get moving on and get the business of Missouri moving on. Second, we have what is going on down here. There will be absolutely no prejudice to the parties if this trial date is moved up. We will be ready on the date we are requesting, April nd. The State, at most, has three witnesses that they are going to call. It's going to be a very brief and short trial. In addition, the deposition of Mr. Tisaby was taken this week. Now, some background is necessary here. Mr. Tisaby is the chief inspector and the chief investigator on this case. Frankly, he's the only investigator on this case. He has been signed up by the Circuit Attorney's Office to investigate this case. He reports only to circuit attorney, Ms. Gardner, in this case. When his deposition was taken, he admitted and told us under oath a lot of things that shows that the State is ready for this trial in that they don't have much for this trial. On page of his deposition, and I have a full

0 0 copy of it here for the Court so you can follow along. Mr. Tisaby is asked: But you have not seen any alleged picture? "ANSWER: No, I have not. I don't think anybody has. "QUESTION: And you did complete a thorough investigation and have not found anybody that has seen any alleged picture?" Correct. That was his answer. He was also asked: "QUESTION: So your testimony is you're unaware of anybody that has made any effort to locate any alleged photograph? "ANSWER: Not that I know of." He's not aware of anyone looking for this photo. "QUESTION: Are you aware of anybody else who is making any efforts to locate any alleged photograph?" Personally I do not. He was asked: How about not personally? I mean, I am not sure what you mean by personally, I do not. I'm asking for any knowledge you have at all. Have you heard that anybody is trying to locate the photograph that allegedly was taken? "ANSWER: I have not.

0 0 "QUESTION: Have you heard -- have anybody who is trying to find a transmission of the alleged photograph? "ANSWER: I have not. "QUESTION: Have you talked to any witness that has told you that any alleged picture was transmitted as alleged in the indictment?" His answer was: Neither K.S. or J.W. have told me as such. "QUESTION: Are you aware of any evidence that there is any picture that was transmitted as alleged in the indictment? "ANSWER: Am I aware of any? "QUESTION: Yes. Are you aware of any evidence? "ANSWER: Not that I know of. "QUESTION: And finally, okay, and so you never found evidence of a photograph, correct? "ANSWER: No, sir." Now, Judge, the reason I went through all that is that is the case there. The Court is aware of the elements in this case. Mr. Tisaby, the only investigator, the chief inspector in this case, testified under oath that's what they have in this case. Which is virtually nothing. They have no expert ready to testify. They have

0 0 0 nothing ready to go in this case, which will make this a very short case to try, and a bench trial will make it even shorter, cutting down the resources of this Court to be used. There is no prejudice to either side in moving up this court date to April nd. We respect the Governor of Missouri, and we feel very strongly that this case needs to be ended, especially in light of the lack of evidence that has been testified to by Mr. Tisaby. Thank you. THE COURT: All right. Thank you, Mr. Garvey. Chief. MR. DIERKER: Your Honor, you're aware of a glitch in the filing of the memorandum in opposition, so I'm going to re-file that with some revisions so that we avoid unnecessary issues. You know, the defense strategy throughout this case has been to try to abort the case on some kind of quasi summary judgment basis and have the Court make a ruling on the facts of the case without a trial. And, you know, the case is -- there is, at a minimum, a strong circumstantial case that the defendant is guilty, and the State is entitled and is indeed obligated to continue to review the facts of the case to ensure that it is proceeding with a case that is meritorious.

0 0 And I would add that the scheduling order on which the State has relied sets a deadline for disclosure of experts, the engagement of experts is ongoing, and given that the defendant had exclusive control of the best evidence in this case for three years, the State's task is made that much more difficult. So I think that the efforts of the defense, and while I understand their efforts to abort a trial by irregular means are ingenious, they're without merit, and I don't intend to give an opening statement in the guise of responding to their motion to expedite the trial. The Court expedited the trial as it was, and the State was put to quite a bit of pressure to respond to the May setting, and I think that the public interest and importance of this case warrants at least some deliberation in preparation and we agreed to a scheduling order and the Court entered it, and now the defense thinks it's to their advantage to throw that overboard, and I can understand why they think that, but I don't think that would be appropriate. And I would also say they represent the Governor of the State of Missouri. We represent the People of the State of Missouri. And we think the People and the victim are entitled to a trial that is presented carefully and deliberately. So we see absolutely no reason to expedite

0 0 the trial on the basis they're suggesting. THE COURT: Thank you, Chief. Response. MR. GARVEY: Judge, it was their investigator, their only investigator, who has been put in charge of this case to seek out that evidence. He is admitting under oath and on the record that's it. That's all they have. And with that in mind, then we're ready, and I believe the State is ready to proceed, and we should be able to advance this case in light of those admissions made by their investigator. THE COURT: All right. MS. GARDNER: Your Honor, can I respond to that? THE COURT: Sure. MS. GARDNER: Your Honor, when we talk about this investigation, Mr. Tisaby was hired to do specific things on this case, as well as other issues that I cannot discuss in open court. So, on this case, he was tasked with finding two individuals; the victim in this case, and other witnesses in this case, and that is it. And Mr. Tisaby, that was his only task, and those witnesses and victims went into the Grand Jury and presented testimony that was enough to secure an indictment on the invasion of privacy felony offense as

charged. 0 0 So, you know, when the other side talks about what evidence I have, they don't know what evidence I have. They know right now what I've turned over, and we'll continue to turn over discovery as needed as we get it. So I think when you talk about the investigator, the investigator had a specific purpose, the investigator was not in Grand Jury. He was to find people and that was his job in this task, but we have a victim here and the victim has -- needs their day in court, and I think we have to look at an expedited trial date affects the victim. There is a victim. THE COURT: Ms. Gardner, I am not going to make a decision of trial setting based on substantive evidence in this case that has been presented in a motion. So your point's well taken. Mr. Simpson, did you have -- want to be heard on this? MR. SIMPSON: Briefly, your Honor, Scott Simpson, and I represent the victim in this case. The points I would like the Court to consider when moving up this trial setting is that my client is a full-time student, employed full time, as well as a single mother, and she -- if the trial is moved into April, she will be in a position where her school will be in its last full month as they lead into finals. Adding the trial and the deposition and all of

0 0 those on an expedited fashion I think would impose a hardship upon her, and she has rearranged her schedule and her life to make sure that this May trial date works. So we would ask the Court to consider the hardship on the victim as it makes its decision. Thank you. THE COURT: Thanks, Mr. Simpson. MR. GARVEY: Judge, if I may, just two things. Ms. Gardner said we don't know the evidence she has. That's very disturbing because we should know. THE COURT: Mr. Garvey, at this point, as I say, I'm not going to make decisions on trial settings based on the degree and weight of evidence that is known at this point. That's just not -- that's just not going to go into the forum. MR. GARVEY: Judge, that is not forwarded to you on the basis to argue the merits of the case, but only to show their evidence in this case. It's a subterfuge to say they need more time. We're ready, they're ready. There is really no reason to delay this case. And under the extraordinary circumstances of who our client is, that's what we're asking for. I did not mean to invade the province of the Court and argue this case on this case, they were examples of how they are ready. Mr. Tisaby has testified. In the deposition, Ms.

0 0 Gardner has never instructed me as far as what investigative steps I am doing. I report to her and things that I need. As far as the Grand Jury, which she says he wasn't involved with. She and I don't talk about it and don't discuss it. I am trying to work this case as independently as possible. So we're getting mixed messages here. I only bring this to the Court's attention regarding the evidence that she says we don't know what she has because we should know what she has under the rules of discovery, and if there's something being withheld, that's very disturbing. Thank you. THE COURT: Okay. Most important in this case and in all trials is the stability and predictability of a trial setting. I advanced this case at the request of the defendant and set a date over the State's objection. The fact that there are things that happen west of here that have occurred in the interim, it does not affect my trial setting decision. I will not change the trial setting that may create -- that -- based on an advantage or disadvantage that may be perceived. The case is set for the th of May. That's the court date. That's the trial date. That's regardless of what is going on west of here. I am going to do all I can to keep anything outside of this courtroom that goes on away from this case. And so I'm not influenced about anything

other than the fact that I gave an early trial setting, that's the trial setting you get, that's the one we'll keep. Anything further? MR. MARTIN: Thank you for your time. MR. GARVEY: Thank you. MR. SIMPSON: Thank you, your Honor. THE COURT: Court will be in recess. (The hearing was concluded.) 0 0

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