Interview series: How Structure Matters in investing in ETFs

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By Dan Weiskopf Access ETF Solutions Portfolios Interview series: How Structure Matters in investing in ETFs May 22, 2014 Structure Matters Series: Kenny Feng, on the Alerian Index Construction The Structure Matters series is about the complexity of a securities wrapper so it seems fitting that we interview Kenny Feng, the President and CEO of Alerian. After all, some of the explosive asset growth in the MLP industry, which now has a market capitalization of about $470 billion, has itself been a function of a unique wrapper. Those reading the article should take away three points about investing in MLP ETF/ETN securities: (1) ETFs and ETNs are very different, (2) the three different ways to access MLPs via ETFs and ETNs that may be appropriate for different types of accounts with different investment objectives, and (3) higher interest rates may not be a negative for MLP investors. DAN WEISKOPF: Good afternoon, Kenny. Thanks for joining us. KENNY FENG: Thanks very much for having me. DAN WEISKOPF: If you could speak a little bit about your background, a little bit about Alerian, and of course, why the ETF wrapper is so fitting for what is really a tax-efficient vehicle to begin with. KENNY FENG: Before joining Alerian, I was a research analyst at Goldman Sachs covering MLPs and Utilities. Our company s vision is to equip investors to make informed decisions about MLPs and energy infrastructure. We are best known for the Alerian MLP Index (AMZ), which we launched in June 2006 as the first real-time MLP index. We have since launched five additional indexes, provided market intelligence for the MLP stakeholder community, and licensed our indices to third parties for the creation of various funds and investment vehicles that have about $16 billion in assets today. 1 P a g e

If you are a U.S. taxable investor that is comfortable building your own portfolio and dealing with state filings and K-1s, you will be better off owning MLPs directly because, as you mentioned, MLPs are a tax-efficient vehicle to begin with. For everyone else, there are more than 70 MLP funds now available in the marketplace. The ETF wrapper is a popular one because, as is the case with other asset classes, it provides relatively transparent access and intraday liquidity at a lower management fee. With MLPs, it has the added benefit of generating a 1099 instead of a K-1. DAN WEISKOPF: How does Alerian work with exchange-traded product manufacturers like JPMorgan, UBS and ALPS? KENNY FENG: Alerian does not manage any assets, focusing instead on our core competencies of index construction and market intelligence. So we license our indices to exchange-traded product manufacturers for the creation of products that we and our licensees deem useful for the investor market. After a product is launched, we help our partners tell the MLP and energy infrastructure story, while they devote their time to promoting and selling the product. DAN WEISKOPF: How many energy MLPs are there and what is the total market capitalization? KENNY FENG: The market today is 113 common equity securities with a total market capitalization of about $470 billion, an increase of more than tenfold compared to a decade ago. If you take out the equity held by sponsors and insiders, the float-adjusted market capitalization is about $290 billion. DAN WEISKOPF: What limitations exist to building an index? And what makes it an effective index? KENNY FENG: The answer depends on what you're trying to achieve with the creation of a particular index. We always talk index construction as a marriage between intellectual purity and commercial viability. If you re looking to benchmark an asset class, you ll probably lean more heavily on intellectual purity. If you re just looking for something to create a product around, then you ll probably lean more heavily on commercial viability. When we launched the AMZ in June 2006, the intention was to benchmark the performance of the MLP investable universe. So we utilized a floatadjusted, capitalization-weighted methodology and included all 50 securities that were public at the time. Since then, the number of MLP securities has increased to 113, but we ve kept the number of AMZ constituents at 50. While the AMZ still captures 75 percent of MLP market capitalization, we ve been asked why we don t expand the number of constituents. The reason is because many of these 63 securities are not what the industry s stakeholders including management teams, research analysts, and investors consider as part of the peer group. Some pay a variable 2 P a g e

distribution each quarter. Others pay their income in the form of a stock dividend. And still others pay no income at all. Some of these securities have significantly outperformed the AMZ, while others have underperformed. Inclusion or exclusion of a security in our indexes is not meant to be an endorsement or indictment of that company s investment merits. We ve just sought to best represent the investable universe in a way that s useful to the stakeholder community, which we believe is the purpose of a benchmark. DAN WEISKOPF: Do you have any thoughts on tracking error for ETFs? Is that something that some investors are concerned about? KENNY FENG: Any 1940 Act Fund that invests more than 25 percent of its portfolio directly in MLP securities is going to be subject to C corporation taxation by the IRS. That s ETFs, open-end mutual funds, and closed-end funds. So when the portfolio of securities rises in value, the fund accumulates a deferred tax liability (DTL), typically equal to the corporate tax rate of 35%, which is taken away from NAV. Similarly, when the fund is in a net DTL position and the portfolio of securities falls in value, the fund unwinds its DTL at that corporate tax rate. In other words, C corporation taxation reduces volatility in both directions when the fund is in a net DTL position. The income from an MLP fund that elects to be taxed as a C corporation retains the tax character of the underlying investment. So if the portfolio s income is 80% tax-deferred return of capital, the fund s income will be characterized in the same manner. As you can imagine, MLP ETFs and other 40 Act Funds that have made the C corporation tax election have found a home among after-tax yield investors and low volatility investors. DAN WEISKOPF: Similarly, are there issues with tracking error in ETNs? What other issues exist with ETNs? KENNY FENG: The benefit of Exchange-Traded Notes (ETNs) is that you're going to see one-for-one tracking on the way up and down, which means no DTL issues. As far as issues to be aware of, ETNs are unsecured debt obligations of their issuers. If the issuer goes under, so does its obligation to pay the note. Further, as a debt obligation, the income that the note pays is taxed as ordinary income. This tax treatment isn t an issue in a tax-advantaged account like an IRA, but makes a big difference when you re holding it in a taxable account, especially as compared to the tax character of a 40 Act Fund s income. And finally, there s some 3 P a g e

ambiguity around Section 1260 of the Internal Revenue Code. If constructive ownership rules apply to the notes, longterm capital gains could be recharacterized as ordinary income. The prospectus of every MLP ETN advised investors to consult with their tax advisors accordingly. DAN WEISKOPF: Is there a third way to access MLPs using a type of ETF? KENNY FENG: The third structure is what's commonly referred to as a RIC-Compliant Fund. It s a 40 Act Fund that invests less than 25 percent of its portfolio in MLPs, which enables it to avoid the DTL issue that we discussed earlier. Generally speaking you re going to see a lower yield because of the reduced exposure to MLPs, and then obviously it s important as an investor to know what the fund is holding in that remaining 75 percent. While these represent a smaller portion of the MLP product market, a RIC-Compliant Fund can be appropriate for an investor that doesn t have an after-tax yield objective and is willing to do the homework on the non-mlp portion of the portfolio, principally to ensure that the fund s holdings don t overlap with other investments. DAN WEISKOPF: What type of investor is attracted to an ETN over an ETF? KENNY FENG: The ETN is generally preferable for a total return MLP investor that believes the majority of return will come from growth instead of income. It s also commonly used in tax-deferred accounts, because the income being treated as ordinary has no consequence in such an account. DAN WEISKOPF: Do most MLP ETFs offer higher payouts than ETNs? KENNY FENG: Generally yes, but a big part of the reason is that ETNs take the expense ratio out of the income. In the ETF, it comes out of daily NAV. So that factors into what actually gets paid to you from a cash perspective. DAN WEISKOPF: Which brings me to the follow-up question along those lines: In the ETNs, where should we go to find exactly what the fees are? Because I don t know that the fee disclosure for an ETN is the same as a fee disclosure in an ETF. KENNY FENG: While the level of disclosure required for an ETN is generally less than that of an ETF, you can find the quarterly tracking fee on the first couple of pages of most MLP ETN prospectuses. 4 P a g e

DAN WEISKOPF: What do you think the biggest drivers are to performance within an index? Is it interest rate spreads? Is it credit? Is it dividend growth? Taxes? What drives the industry? KENNY FENG: The biggest driver of performance over the long term is distribution growth. MLPs that can grow their payouts in a responsible way on the back of recurring cash flow, without incurring additional leverage, and without raising their payout ratio will likely outperform their peers. Other tailwinds for the industry currently are abundant access to capital markets and a constructive regulatory environment. Regarding interest rates, we have been in a fixed income bull market throughout the modern history of MLPs, which began in 1986. We ve looked at the big upward moves in interest rates during the last 30 years, which were 1994, 2004-2006, and 2013, and we haven t seen much in the way of correlation. In fact, when the Fed raised interest rates 25 basis points every six weeks from June 2004 to June 2006, MLPs returned over 38%. MLPs are largely uncorrelated to spot interest rate movements. But like other income-oriented investments, they are susceptible to price weakness caused by shifts in the forward curve, because those interest rate movements were not previously built into expectations. From a financing standpoint, MLPs are generally capitalized at 50% debt, most of which is laddered at a fixed rate and with terms of 5 to 50 years. So while financing would be more expensive, it wouldn t cripple the companies. Another factor to consider is broader equity markets. MLPs used to be touted for their diversification benefits because the correlation between MLPs and the S&P 500 was low, around 0.4. But we ve seen correlations go up in recent years, driven by the commoditization of MLPs more institutional investors, more MLP products. What was once a separate bucket on the investment screen is now just another part of the equity portfolio. While most would argue that this brings more benefits than costs, it does mean that when investors cut their equity exposure across the board, MLPs are no longer tucked away safely. DAN WEISKOPF: Now a trivia question. When AMJ was first born, it was born under the Bear Stearns label, right with the symbol YYY, which sounds like Why, why, why, right (YYY)? KENNY FENG: It s true the first MLP ETN was launched under the Bear Stearns banner, though the ticker was actually BSR. It debuted on July 20, 2007, which in hindsight we now know was one-week after MLPs hit an all-time high. The sector then proceeded to take a 55% dive over the next 16 months. The only silver lining for BSR investors was that Bear 5 P a g e

Stearns was bought out by JPMorgan instead of going bankrupt, so at least investors in the note got out at NAV. JPMorgan had the foresight to see the note s potential under a new name and ticker (AMJ) of course and relaunched the ETN on April 1, 2009. This was no April Fool s joke, as MLPs have mostly gone straight up in the five years since then. DAN WEISKOPF: Kenny, thank you for sharing your expertise. An educated investor is the best smart beta we can provide! Disclosure: For Institutional Investors Only. Dan Weiskopf is a portfolio manager of Access ETF Solutions LLC, whose third-party ETF strategies are offered through IPI Wealth Management, Inc. (IPI). IPI is an SEC-registered investment adviser, with its principal office located at 226 W. Eldorado St., Decatur, IL 62522, 217-425-6340. Access ETF Solutions LLC was established in 2013 with a focus that structure matters in selecting ETFs. Access ETF Solutions LLC is not affiliated with IPI. References to specific securities or market indexes are not intended as specific investment advice. This interview should be viewed as an educational piece. All interviews have been approved for release by the individual and the individual s affiliated firms and the Information is for Institutional Investors only. Readers are advised to read the full transcript of the interview including disclosures at http://accessetfsolutions.com/ or contact Dan Weiskopf at 212 628-4882. 6 P a g e